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We know the secretive area 51 has been exposed, but on a place called Douglas, it was military's

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new UFO playground.

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Above us was a saucer shape.

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That's when we started getting nervous.

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This place is a proving ground, and they could be testing weapons that could bring down a UFO.

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The second time it fired, we noticed these blue lights completely surrounding the beam.

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There's no question this is evidence of unconventional activity, but by whom?

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The military or private contractors?

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They have many customers. They like their privacy.

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The whole time we were there, we were under surveillance. I mean, it was all intimidation.

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We came here to investigate what's going on, only to be investigated ourselves.

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Here he comes.

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How are you guys doing?

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This is case number 421-04, Area 52.

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Area 51 has the reputation of being the most secret base in the United States.

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All that changed in 1985 when Bob Lazar, the former employee there, went public with the reverse engineering technology.

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Ever since then, Area 51 from a top secret site became a public display case.

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Absolutely, Bill. I mean, if you were a testing facility, you'd probably want to move somewhere else.

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You'd have to find someplace that was top secret and turn that place into a new and better Area 51.

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Dogway Proving Ground has over seven decades of covert military experimentation under its belt.

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Moving at least some of Area 51's operations here makes perfect sense.

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It's a testing facility, so there are already secret operations going on there.

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If Area 51 did relocate to Dogway, I would need to see some evidence of how its role has changed.

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Clearly, Dogway Proving Ground has the space to handle top secret operations,

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but is there a link to reverse engineering of extraterrestrial craft? We'll have to see.

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Dogway Proving Ground is the fourth largest military base in the U.S.

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and has been the home for testing chemical, biological and radiological weapons since 1942.

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The base is surrounded by mountains on three sides, with heavily restricted airspace over the base,

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reaching all the way up, even beyond the Earth's atmosphere.

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The area is larger than the entire state of Rhode Island and abuts the Utah test and training range.

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Within the past 20 years, the area's runway has been retrofitted to allow the space shuttle to land.

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In addition to its military clients, Dogway is the home of defense contractors working on alleged black-budget projects.

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With all the upgrades and the alleged UFO activity over the area,

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we believe that some of the operations have left Area 51 and moved to Dogway Proving Ground.

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To find out about the past and present of Dogway, we need to get some inside information.

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So we're going to meet with Dogway's former chief of security and hear about his own UFO sighting.

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I came to Dogway in 1950. I worked for 33 years at the Department of Defense as a security police supervisor.

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I retired in 1983 as a captain.

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Bush Fox was security police supervisor for 33 years at Dogway Proving Ground.

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If something was going on there, he's going to be able to tell us what it was.

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One incident I remember very well is my whole shift, which is the afternoon shift.

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We got off work about 11.30 at night.

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As we were leaving, me and my friend, we looked up and we were almost in this direction from that area.

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It was four very distinct lights.

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He's sitting there.

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The lamp on that was coming out and we watched those four lights sitting there for probably, I'd say 25, 35 seconds.

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And then they all took off in different directions.

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This was not conventionally, there was no noise, no indication, any kind of a plane or anything like that.

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Now what year was this again?

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This was late 7th of 1970s.

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Could operations go on at Dogway?

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Black operations, operations with UFOs or other things go on there without your knowledge?

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No. I had a top secret security at Dogway and if anything like that was going on, I wouldn't know about it.

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All 11 of them agreed that these were not conventional lights of any kind.

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These were not airplanes or helicopters.

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These guys would have known what kind of aircraft would have been around Dogway.

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So this immense in my mind that these were UFOs.

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Did you tell anybody at Dogway what you saw?

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We told the provost Marshall about the lights at Dogway and he said he investigated it and he died in a plane crashing up.

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We were too long after that.

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The provost Marshall is the official in charge of all security operations at Dogway Proving Ground.

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After his untimely death in a flight over the base, the official investigation into UFOs over Dogway died as well.

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So we've heard rumors that Dogway has become the new Area 51.

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Have you seen any indication that this might be true?

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It's the best you've ever been. I've got to laugh at that.

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Of course Bush Fox has no knowledge of operations from Area 51 moving to Dogway.

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He retired in 1983 several years before the move and once you retire from a top secret position, you're out of the loop and you no longer have access to top secret or classified base information.

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To really find out what's going on out here at Dogway, it's important to talk to people who have been here on the ground making observations.

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So we're going to talk to Ken Storch and Bob who have been out here eight times since 1997.

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They're really professionals at staking out unusual activity and that's why we've got to talk to them and hear what they have to say.

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In the late 80s I was contacted by an Air Force Major when I was active law enforcement.

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He or she told me that you need to take a look at Dogway. There's something out there that you would be interested in.

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I said, what do you mean? And they replied, the new Area 51.

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Bob and I, like we always do, packed up our equipment, jumped in the RV and we drove out here straight from Colorado.

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And the moment that we arrived on scene, we knew that we had touched a nerve.

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The helicopter gunships came in so close that the prop wash from the blades was rocking the RV.

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See the picture?

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We literally had a gunship swing around land probably a hundred yards from us.

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The Gatling gun mounted underneath was pointed right at us.

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The chopper pilot was sitting there with his visor down, staring right at us.

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Were you in a restricted area?

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We're on public land. We're on the Pony Express Trail.

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The whole time we were there, we were under surveillance. I mean, it was all intimidation.

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You know, when we went to Area 51, our presence was responded to with camo dudes and vehicles on the ground.

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But what Ken, Storch and Bob were telling us is that they actually got a much bigger reaction with helicopters landing near them, pointing weapons at them.

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That really does say just how sensitive this area is if you get an even bigger reaction than getting close to Area 51.

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Over the course of several months of coming out here, we observed a lot of activity.

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At Simpson Springs, we went another 14 miles. At the top of the ridge, there's a road that goes along the ridge line, not the main Pony Express Trail.

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I've got pictures here that shows this barracks where we watch convoys.

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You could tell a deuce and a half, the lights were higher in the sky.

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To Humvees, I lost count at over 80. And we sat there for 45 minutes, but here's the clincher. They disappeared into the ground.

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We watched that convoy disappear.

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Bob's claim that an 80-vehicle convoy disappeared into the earth seemed suspicious at first.

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But in the 1990s, satellite imagery of military bases and access to it became very sophisticated.

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So there are compelling reasons to have the military, at that time, move their operations literally underground into subterranean test facilities.

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You guys said back in 97, you were investigating Dugway in an RV and you got a lot of attention.

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There were helicopters checking you out. Is it possible that because you were in the RV, you were kicking up a lot of dust and created a huge profile that just attracted a lot of attention?

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Oh, absolutely. You can't sneak into this space without drawing that kind of attention.

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I mean, uh-oh, guys, looks like we have company.

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Oh boy.

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Yep, we got somebody coming.

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Told ya.

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Here he comes.

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There's something going on.

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Where is he going? That's the question.

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Can we get that?

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No, it's not.

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Look at that.

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Oh, I see it. Whoa, whoa.

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Thank you, Major.

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Thank you, Major.

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It didn't take long for us to discover how seriously Dugway values its secrecy.

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We set up a meeting with Ken and Bob on what we thought to be public land, but in less than five minutes, base police pulled up to tell us we were getting too close.

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Here he comes.

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Hey, how's it going, Joe?

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Nice to meet you, Officer.

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Stand by. Stand by.

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We're ready to go, Joe.

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Okay.

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Have you got a permission to photograph?

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Uh, actually, yes we do.

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From the Bureau of Land Management, it's over there. We have all the forms.

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Okay, let me see your forms in here.

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Okay, let me get the forms. They're down over there.

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Hi. Hi.

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They need to stop taking pictures right now until we get all the stories down.

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Okay.

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Sure thing.

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Okay, we'll get you the forms.

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We have VLM permission to be here.

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Okay.

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Actually, we paid the permit.

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Okay, now do you have one from Dugway?

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But we're not on Dugway property.

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We're not on Dugway property.

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There you are.

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Oh, it says we have that sign.

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All of this right here belongs to Dugway.

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I mean, all this, all this here?

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All of this right here belongs to Dugway.

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What about the building, too, belongs to Dugway?

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You cannot take pictures of that.

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Period.

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Okay.

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We didn't know that there's no sign there that says that, and it says boundaries right here, sir.

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Yeah, we just stayed on the boundaries.

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We're not going to have to take pictures of that.

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So if you are taking pictures of that, I'm going to have to confiscate everything you've got.

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Okay, well, we haven't taken any pictures yet.

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I'm going to have to see.

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So we're here at the entrance to Dugway Proving Grounds.

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We came up here looking for answers to what Dugway does, why is there a Dugway, what's going on here.

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We say, look, we're here to find out some answers about Dugway.

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Who can we talk to?

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Now we're going to talk to the Public Affairs Officer of Dugway, and we're hoping we can get some answers to our questions.

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This could be a gold-minded information.

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Let's see what she says.

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We are the nation's chem-biotesting facility.

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We test defensive equipment such as protective gear, which could mean personal equipment such as masks, boots, gloves, and uniforms, or collective protection for our soldiers.

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As Dugway Proving Grounds Public Affairs Officer, Paul Nicholson is the official spokesperson for what happens here.

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How many people work at the base?

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Right now there's about 1,450 people.

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About half of those are contractors, the other half are government civilians.

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Would you be able to tell us which defense contractors are located on Dugway, and if so, what do they do?

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Right now we don't tell people who those contractors are.

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The fact that Paul is so guarded about the work of contractors at Dugway gives us a sense of just how important and secret this base really is.

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If there are secret experiments going on here, they could originate with private contractors and not the military itself.

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Recently there has been a lot of activity on the part of the Army here in trying to acquire more land.

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In the recent past we thought it would be a good thing to acquire more land because we are getting more customers.

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We were having a lot more training area.

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However, to my knowledge at this time, there is no effort to acquire more land.

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So when you're looking at a map, what you see is so much restricted airspace around here.

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I mean, what's so fascinating about the restricted airspace is that the ceiling goes all the way up into infinity.

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Can you explain that?

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We have many customers that like to come here and train.

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They don't want people to be here to know all their maneuvers, and they like their privacy.

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If the government wanted to hide evidence of the reverse engineering of extraterrestrial alien spacecraft, of course they'd give it to a defense contractor.

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Private contractors don't have to be responsive to freedom of information requests.

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The reason we're here is we've heard that Dougway might be the new Area 51.

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That there was too much attention put on Area 51 and they've moved operations here.

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I just want to ask you, just straight out, are you aware of any testing or development of UFO or extraterrestrial technology taking place here at Dougway?

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You know, that's really an interesting question. I've actually had that quite a few times.

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To my knowledge, I'm not aware of any UFO training going on out here.

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Paula denied any presence of UFO technology at Dougway, but she did say she's been asked this question before,

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which supports the idea that ufologists asking too many questions and getting too close like we did may have played a part in Dougway's recent attempts to expand.

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One place Dougway wanted to expand was on its southeast border.

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We need to go there and see if it provides a vantage point for peering into the base's activities.

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There is Michael Armier Field.

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This is one of the longest runways in the world. You know, you can land the space shuttle here,

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but you can also only guess as to what other vehicles they're testing here.

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You saw Area 51 firsthand. How does it feel being here now and looking at Dougway compared to that?

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Well, there's certainly the same feeling of vastness if you just look at the view.

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I mean, you can see from horizon to horizon, and there's nothing out there except for Dougway Proving Ground.

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This place is actually bigger than Area 51.

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Look at this. Restricted. Restricted. Restricted. Restricted. It's everywhere.

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Well, if you take all this into account and you compare Dougway Proving Ground with Area 51,

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I mean, Dougway and Michael Armier Field is clearly the superior secret facility.

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We've learned about the size and scope of Dougway and how much private contractors at the base value their privacy.

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Now we have to learn about this pattern of secrecy from somebody who knows an award-winning journalist who covers Dougway, Lee Davidson.

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Thanks for seeing us today, Lee. You're welcome.

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You appreciate it.

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You're happy to meet you.

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Lee Davidson is a journalist with the Deseret News. He's been covering the Dougway story for over 30 years.

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And if anyone can tell us about the absolute secrecy going on at Dougway, it's him.

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People in Utah are interested in Dougway because it's been one of the most secretive bases in America.

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A lot of things happened out there for years that we never found out about for decades after.

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There are no roads that you can just drive up and kind of look and see what's going on.

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It's so vast you can hide things in there easily.

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They were doing things they really didn't want the world to know about during the whole Cold War era.

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There was chemical weapons testing, germ weapons testing, radiological weapons testing.

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The Army always denied anything dangerous was happening.

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But in the last 20 years or so, bit by bit, we were able to use the Freedom of Information Act and dig out a lot of what actually did happen.

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In World War II, for example, they used human guinea pigs.

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Members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, who were conscientious objectors, volunteered to help with medical research.

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And they literally lined them up along the highway next to Reese's Monkeys and real guinea pigs.

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Spread clouds of germs over them, such as Q fever, parrot fever, to see if they would get infected.

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And they were. They weren't killed.

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But they were also told that this was defensive work only and it actually was offensive work, according to documents we had.

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A lot of these things that you described sound like very serious offenses against the public.

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Is there anything about the people of Utah that is keeping them from being outraged about this?

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Actually, we had documents 40 or 50 years ago where the Pentagon talked about how patriotic Utahns were

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and how they probably wouldn't sue and they would be more trusting of the government.

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Utahns today are much different.

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When the Army tells them something is fine and not secretive, they've learned not to trust that.

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Have you ever filed a FOIA request regarding the expansion of the base?

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Yes, we did. And the military denied it.

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Pentagon said, we don't have to release it, we're not going to.

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So, mostly what we know about the expansion is what members of Congress have said that the Army told them.

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And they told them that part of it was UFO watchers are getting too close, we want to push them back.

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Part of it was there's contamination. And we don't really want to clean up that contamination.

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It's so vast, we don't know how to do it. We just want to take over that area and keep people out of it.

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How does Michael Army Airfield fit into all of this?

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Fifteen years ago or so, it was essentially an unusable field.

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But in recent years, it's been built up, improved so that they could use it.

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That, by the way, is one of the reasons that UFO hunters think something is going on out there, because now they can fly in and out of there.

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So what's your take on this whole business of Doug Way being the new area 51, that the UFOs were moved from Nevada's area 51 and brought here?

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Because everybody's looking at area 51, nobody's looking here, this is more isolated.

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Hey, it's a vast base. There's a lot of places you could hide things out there.

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And the people who watch the base say they've seen a lot of strange things coming and going, covered trucks with something poking out that they thought looked like an oval-shaped spaceship.

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The history of Doug Way makes anything out there easier to believe, because so many bizarre things have happened.

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But one more chapter is possible.

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We're absorbing a lot of conflicting answers here. Paul is giving us the official explanation.

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Lee is telling us that you can't exactly trust Doug Way, and witnesses are telling us some very compelling stories.

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It's a lot of information, and it's time we put it all together.

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If we had a base that was so important that it was handling extraterrestrial reverse engineering, don't you think we'd want to spread the wealth?

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Well, we know for a fact from talking with Lee Davidson that there was a huge push to expand Doug Way, that in my opinion is kind of suspicious.

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Don't you think? I mean, we already have area 51, so why would we have to create this new giant secret base?

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We got the answer from Paula. They just were collecting more customers, there were more corporations going in there and conducting their tests, so they needed more area.

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The fact is that they've been trying to expand even before they got these customers. We're standing in front of the base on public land. We're confronted by this.

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Now you know that every time on this desert you try to approach something, there's a whole dust storm following your car.

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What we've got to do is come up with a plan for stealth.

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So here's the deal. That's it.

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Every time anybody comes up here in a car, it kicks up so much dust along the road, they can see you coming miles away.

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So you're going to take the mountain bikes, obviously kick up much less of a cloud of dust, you're going to be stealth, and you'll get as close to the gate as you possibly can.

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We want to see if there's any activity on the runway. We know that there are corporations present here. We want to see if we can see any sign of them, exactly what corporations are present.

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We found an overgrown access road at Dugway's southeast border, and directly towards the airfield.

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So if Bill's theory of stealth holds true, we should be able to reach the gates and get an up-close look at this complex without drawing any attention from security.

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Okay guys, saddle up. Good hunting.

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Alright Bill, seen a bit. Be careful out there. We got it.

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So I know we don't want to kick up too much dust.

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He's up on the wheelies.

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How are you doing? You moving along okay?

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Moving along okay Bill. Just feels a little exposed out here, kind of like we're sitting ducks.

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So far you're all clear. Nothing in the sky and nothing on the ground.

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There's not a single bit of dust coming off their wheels. They're kicking up nothing. That's exactly what we want. They're going to get in under the radar.

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Maybe just maybe they'll see some unconventional crap. Could we be standing on the perimeter of the new area 51?

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We're here. Sciences Danger. Keep out US Army installation. Impact area.

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Okay hold up at the sign saying impact area. You're getting into possible unexploded ordinance territory.

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I'd like you to head left along the fence line and see if you could find anything on the airfield.

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Okay I see some kind of vehicle and it is in pieces that has been demolished and I can only guess what it is.

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It's brown. It has four tires and that's about all I can tell you. That's how messed up this thing is.

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As you move along the fence line you might see some activity of the airfield to the right of the fence to the right of the road.

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Copy that. I suspect you are correct.

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So what's your 10-20?

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We're here. We're down at the gate. We can see the hangars. We can see the towers. And yeah we can see the airfield but there's nothing going on over there.

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Can you see any trucks with logos, any signage, any sign of corporate activity near the airfield?

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That's a negative Bill. I'm sorry but we don't see any sign of any corporate activity.

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We're back safe and sound. Hey guys glad you made it back safe and sound. It was great to get up close.

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So what did you guys see?

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Well we got up close and what we got to see was just the size and the scope of the place.

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You're sort of lost and exposed out there. I was just feeling it being very small and that the dug way is absolutely huge.

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Tell you the truth it was a little bit eerie being that close to the gate with the tumbleweeds, the barbed wire, the unexploded ordinance and the vehicle that was obviously the victim of at least one explosion.

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This is a very vast territory and I can understand if the government wanted to hide something that this would be the perfect place to do it.

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But from what I saw down there this is simply a military base.

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We've taken a close look at the south side of dugway. Now we're going to hear about a UFO encounter that occurred on the far west boundary from a police officer who patrolled there.

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Hey Bob. Hey Bob. Thanks for coming down today. You bet. Thanks for meeting us. Pleasure to meet you.

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We're talking to Bob Ward who is an ex-Tribal Police Officer for the Go-Shoot Trap which is just west of dugway Proving Grounds.

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He had interesting experiences involving UFOs and we're about to find out if these events actually tie into Area 51 relocating here.

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In 2004 I was a Tribal Police Officer for the Go-Shoot Reservation in Iba Paw.

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We're located west of dugway Proving Grounds.

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In 2004 I was around midnight. One of the residents came up and knocked on my door and asked me if he could help pull him out of a spot.

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He went off the road and stuff and I said fine. As we got there something caught my eye and I looked up and 6 to 800 feet above us was a lit up craft.

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It was almost saucer shape. The guest that made it speed on it was about 5 to 10 miles an hour.

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When we got there we did not see it come over the mountain. It just appeared.

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What was the light configuration on it?

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There were 6 lights in a circle. I guesstimated it at about 80 feet in diameter.

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Before it got too far ahead of us going out to the flatland I had a spotlight in my pickup truck.

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I reached out and turned it on for maybe 15 to 20 seconds and it turned around and came back over us again.

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That's when we started getting nervous.

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The fact that the craft physically reacted to Bob's spotlight and then changed its flight path is significant.

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It shows that this is not a pre-programmed drone, a balloon or anything like that. It was intelligently controlled.

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As it came back going eastbound back towards the Dugway Proving Ground it went up an over Ipa Paw Peak.

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The Ipa Paw Peak is about 14,000 feet and as soon as it disappeared within 30 seconds to a minute, 2 F16s coming from Nevada were in hot pursuit behind it in the same flight path.

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Then they disappeared over the top of the mountain going eastbound back towards the Dugway Proving Ground.

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In award sighting, 30 seconds after the craft leaves the area over his head, 2 F16s show up.

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If they were in escort they'd be flying alongside. They'd be flying at the same speed. The object is moving away toward Dugway. Clearly it's not an escort.

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To Bob's mind they were in pursuit of this object that had moved away clearly hadn't caught up.

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That indicates just circumstantially these are not our craft.

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Bob you keep calling it it. What do you think it was? Maybe some kind of military test of some sort? A military vehicle? Or are we talking about something else here?

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It could very well be a military experiment.

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And if it's not then it would have to be the real deal. Never in my life have I ever seen anything like this before.

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So the flight pattern that Bob would describe was very interesting. Clearly we're looking at flight characteristics that are not conventional here.

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All of this cements in my mind that this was either a reverse engineered vehicle of some sort or an extraterrestrial craft, but either way this object clearly has something to do with the Dugway Proving Ground.

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Were you concerned at the time that you'd experience fallout from the department if you reported this sighting?

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Yes. Certain powers could do things you know and at the time it was better just to keep my mouth shut you know with the military doing stuff. We're told mind our own business.

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And so why are you coming forward now?

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Because I truly feel that public needs to know what's going on out here.

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It doesn't surprise me that Bob followed the typical law enforcement code of silence not to discuss UFOs for fear of ridicule or even retribution.

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But now that he's no longer a police officer he feels compelled to shed light on what he's seen going on around Dugway and it involves a lot more than just seeing a UFO.

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Out in the general area this craft was traveling. I observed two horses that I found their heads were decapitated.

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Wow. I mean their heads really are clean up.

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We're talking with Bob Ward who witnessed a UFO near Dugway Proving Ground in 2004.

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And that alone might be enough to show that Dugway is becoming the new Area 51.

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But the sighting alone wasn't the end of Bob's experiences.

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Out in the general area this craft was traveling. We come up to an old sheep corral.

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I observed two horses their heads were decapitated. I got some photos that I took of those mutilated horses.

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The horses were about 10 to 11 feet apart laying the same identical way.

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As if they were placed there.

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Laying exactly. Exactly. Their heads had almost like laser precision cuts along their jaw bones where the hide had been removed.

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And I found no traces of blood off either animal.

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His story brings me back to what Lee told us about Dugway Proving Ground having no compunctions about using humans and animals as guinea pigs for biological weapons testing during the Cold War.

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Dugway not only be testing advanced craft but possibly also advanced laser weapons and using the horses as test subjects.

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We do have mount lines out there. We have badgers and we do have coyotes.

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So if small predators and stuff were going to be feeding off these things you would actually see bite marks and rips tearing apart at them.

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These weren't rips. These were precision cuts.

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Were there any missing organs?

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The eyes were gone and the lips around the horses were gone too.

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Well the horse mutilations that Bob described seemed to fit everything that we've already seen.

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So it's very interesting that we have a very strange UFO sighting and this very strange mutilation.

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Well do you think there's some connection between these mutilations and other activity that's going on around here?

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It could be part of extraterrestrial conducting experiments. It could even be part of the Dugway Proving Ground conducting experiments as well.

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The story of what Bob Ward discovered doesn't necessarily prove that Area 51 has moved its operations to Dugway.

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But it does indicate that advanced aeronautical craft and laser-like technology do have a role here.

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So my next step is to speak with more witnesses who might have seen advanced laser technology here at Dugway.

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The alien Dave.

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Dave. How's it going?

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Thank you Dave. Thank you for coming out to see us today.

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Good to see you.

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We're meeting with Dave Rosenfeld who is a Utahuophilologist and he's had a lot of very unique experiences.

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It's going to be worth it to see exactly where Dave witnessed these unique events and to hear the stories behind them.

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We're at the Dugway Proving Ground and right down here is Michael Airfield. This whole area is the military airfield.

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We are about right here and we need to go right about here.

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Now the only way to get there is really on ATV. You're not going to be driving a car down here because the train is pretty rough.

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So you brought some ATVs for us?

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Yes we did.

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The ATV route takes us largely due south towards the border of the southern segment of the Utah test and training range or UTTR.

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Now UTTR is administered by the Air Force while the Army runs Dugway Proving Ground.

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However both these facilities frequently collaborate and host experiments for all the military branches.

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As you can see this is the bombing range.

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Right over that mountains where we've seen the test.

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We were parked right about here.

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Right where we're at.

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It's about one o'clock in the morning and we see this what looks like an arc wielder off in the distance.

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This is huge flashing light and then the beam shot out the middle of it.

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It looked reddish in color actually and the light coming off the ground was white.

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There were a little bit of thin clouds above that and you can see it go through the clouds.

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How long did this beam last?

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Probably about four minutes and then it was shut off like a light switch.

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How wide was the beam would you say?

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I thought it was to compare it to something at least as wide as a car.

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So we're not talking about a pencil thin laser beam here?

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No not at all.

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That's huge for a laser.

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There was a slight smell of ozone in the area.

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Kind of a static electricity type of smell.

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Well you think you were smelling the actual laser or what?

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We didn't smell it before that and we didn't smell it after the testing.

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We know that during a thunderstorm ions in the atmosphere can be charged in such a way that they give off this kind of ascent.

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This is due to a partial electrical breakdown of the air by a high volume of electricity that causes the laser to explode.

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Now if this beam was creating that smell then it must be harnessing millions of watts of power.

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That's very interesting you say that this beam actually was penetrating a cloud because normally light can't go through clouds.

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The Air Force was experimenting for years with a way to bring down satellites by firing a maser and then through the maser that's the tunnel that punches a hole then there's a laser through the maser.

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And that's what this is then you are watching one of the most important anti-satellite weapons we have.

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How did you notice any other activity after the testing of this laser?

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The second time it fired we noticed these blue lines were being fired.

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The laser was being fired and the laser was being fired.

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How did you notice any other activity after the testing of this laser?

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The second time it fired we noticed these blue lights completely surrounding the beam.

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On the ground?

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On the air. These lights were acting like conventional aircraft.

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Did they fly in or did they just pop up?

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They more or less was just there and then when the soon as that beam stopped they were gone.

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Was this beam a beacon that was meant to attract UFOs?

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Or did the UFO sense this was a weapon and arrive to surveil it?

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I got from Fox actually spent a year trying to find out what exactly we've seen out here.

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He contacted the PR person.

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First she denied it then she changed her story a little bit and said well there was military contractors out there doing some tests.

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And that was more or less the end of it.

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Alien Dave's reporting of a bizarre beam test was met with stonewalling and denial from military officials.

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But it's not the only strange test he's seen here.

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One of the planes just disappeared.

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Like this thing vanished.

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And they were flying in formation right next to each other.

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You still see the one but not the other.

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We've taken ATVs out to the fence line along the boundary of the Utah test and training range.

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The fence line runs literally as far as the eye can see in a perfect straight line.

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Our eye witness Dave Rosenfeld has seen things that are anything but normal.

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One night we were out here and we watched these two jets come by and see the beacon lights on them.

409
00:38:33,785 --> 00:38:39,786
And as they got near the fence line over here one of the planes just upright disappeared.

410
00:38:40,786 --> 00:38:42,786
No more lights and no silhouette of the plane at all.

411
00:38:43,786 --> 00:38:44,786
And they were flying in formation right next to each other.

412
00:38:45,787 --> 00:38:47,787
You still see the one but not the other.

413
00:38:48,787 --> 00:38:49,787
So are we talking about invisibility technology here?

414
00:38:50,787 --> 00:38:51,788
Could be.

415
00:38:52,788 --> 00:38:57,789
Were there any other things you saw that had the same kind of technology disappearing planes or stuff like that?

416
00:38:57,789 --> 00:38:59,789
Yes, same year. I think it was in August.

417
00:39:00,789 --> 00:39:08,790
We were back out here checking out the location once again and we noticed this dust trail off in the desert down in the valley here.

418
00:39:09,790 --> 00:39:10,791
And you can see the dust trail but no vehicle.

419
00:39:11,791 --> 00:39:12,791
How do you know that wasn't a dust devil?

420
00:39:13,791 --> 00:39:17,792
Well we see dust devils out here all the time and dust devils don't go 60, 70 miles an hour.

421
00:39:18,792 --> 00:39:19,792
Wow. So what year was this?

422
00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:23,793
Same year 2004. There was a lot of activity that year.

423
00:39:23,793 --> 00:39:28,794
Well yeah, they're mustening. That's the same year that Bob Ward saw his UFO and the mutilated horses.

424
00:39:29,794 --> 00:39:34,795
And that's the same year that this whole area that the Army wanted to expand Doug Wake Rubin Grads.

425
00:39:35,795 --> 00:39:36,795
That's true.

426
00:39:38,795 --> 00:39:44,796
Dave's sighting of this massive laser, Bob's UFO encounter and his investigation into a nearby horse mutilation.

427
00:39:45,796 --> 00:39:48,797
Now I'm starting to believe that these guys really are living next to the new Area 51.

428
00:39:49,797 --> 00:39:54,798
Dave, you've been around here for a long time and what evidence have you seen that Doug Wake is the new Area 51?

429
00:39:55,798 --> 00:39:59,799
Well when the popular mechanics article came out saying that they did move Area 51.

430
00:40:00,799 --> 00:40:05,800
Doug Wake's security tripled. I don't believe they moved everything from Area 51 here to Doug Wake.

431
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:12,801
They've moved projects here. I do believe they still have the Black Project planes down there but most of the space related stuff is here in Utah.

432
00:40:13,801 --> 00:40:15,801
Kind of spread your technology around a bit so it's not all in one place maybe.

433
00:40:15,801 --> 00:40:23,803
I have a funny feeling given what we saw at Area 51 last year that there's still a lot of reverse engineering going on there.

434
00:40:24,803 --> 00:40:32,804
So maybe not just Area 51, not just Doug Wake but this advanced unconventional technology is spread throughout military facilities around the country.

435
00:40:33,804 --> 00:40:35,805
Why put all your eggs in one basket?

436
00:40:45,806 --> 00:41:00,809
Well guys, this was something. What do you think the evidence tells us?

437
00:41:01,809 --> 00:41:05,809
I don't think we found enough evidence to support that Area 51 actually relocated here.

438
00:41:06,810 --> 00:41:13,811
And the high security that's going on here at Doug Wake is simply because of protecting the technology that's being tested there.

439
00:41:13,811 --> 00:41:18,812
It's national security and essentially nothing has changed besides more testing going on here.

440
00:41:19,812 --> 00:41:29,813
Any facility that's pioneered biological, chemical and radiological weapons testing would require an incredible amount of security precautions and an enormous amount of restricted airspace.

441
00:41:30,814 --> 00:41:38,815
Even if Doug Wake and UTTR have taken over some experiments from Area 51, there's just no proof that this is reverse engineered alien technology.

442
00:41:39,815 --> 00:41:45,816
I mean we've been to Area 51 Bill and it seems to me like a lot of the strange things that are going on there are going on here.

443
00:41:46,816 --> 00:41:48,816
You've got this huge beam shooting up into the sky.

444
00:41:49,817 --> 00:41:55,818
You've got Bob Ward seeing his strange UFO that has changed his life including the horse mutilations that he saw that year.

445
00:41:56,818 --> 00:41:58,818
Massive attempted expansion of Doug Wake in the same year.

446
00:41:59,818 --> 00:42:00,818
Is that all a coincidence as well?

447
00:42:00,818 --> 00:42:08,820
Well we have to really consider that a lot of this technology is reverse engineered from this alien technology that we're trying to get to the root of.

448
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:15,821
We saw firsthand how Doug Wake reacts when it feels it's being scrutinized just like Area 51.

449
00:42:16,821 --> 00:42:22,822
The things that really stand out to me in the course of this investigation are private contractors that enjoy unparalleled privacy in their operations.

450
00:42:23,822 --> 00:42:27,823
I think the government's UFO tech secrets have shifted to Doug Wake and they're here to stay.

451
00:42:27,823 --> 00:42:31,824
It's the same story all the way around.

452
00:42:32,824 --> 00:42:35,824
UFOs are still being reverse engineered by private contractors.

453
00:42:36,824 --> 00:42:37,825
They've been doing it for 60 years.

454
00:42:38,825 --> 00:42:41,825
They're doing it now and the big picture for me is they're doing it right there at Doug Wake.

455
00:42:42,825 --> 00:42:44,826
They're doing it at a new Area 51.

456
00:42:45,826 --> 00:42:53,827
If one of Doug Wake's goals was to take over the testing and reverse engineering of UFO technology from Area 51,

457
00:42:53,827 --> 00:43:04,829
it had all the resources to do so and nothing we've learned about base security or contractor practices threatens the future of military operations there.

458
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:10,830
And besides, this area has the highest restricted airspace on the entire planet.

459
00:43:11,830 --> 00:43:14,831
And if it's not the new Area 51, it will be.

460
00:43:14,831 --> 00:43:25,832
I went from questioning whether people are even seeing things in the sky to knowing that they are, but now questioning what exactly are they seeing.

461
00:43:26,833 --> 00:43:31,833
I believe that the majority are top secret black ops military aircraft.

462
00:43:32,834 --> 00:43:36,834
The study of anything that we can't explain is very important.

463
00:43:37,834 --> 00:43:39,835
That's how we come to answers and better understand our universe.

464
00:43:39,835 --> 00:43:41,835
So we have this phenomenon that is real.

465
00:43:42,835 --> 00:43:46,836
Maybe we can learn from these UFOs and create a better world for ourselves.

466
00:43:48,836 --> 00:43:55,837
Along the way, we've seen some incredible photographs and we've debunked the debunkers and finally a picture is coming together.

467
00:43:56,837 --> 00:44:04,839
A picture of a truth so incredible, so awesome that it would mean the end of the human race as you know it.

468
00:44:04,839 --> 00:44:15,841
That's why the government will go to any lengths to keep that truth from being disclosed because the truth is bigger than all of us.